AI Employees Change Org Charts Before They Replace Jobs | Startuprad.io
- Jörn Menninger
- Jan 22
- 20 min read
Updated: 5 days ago

What Is This About?
AI employees are changing organizational charts before they replace jobs. This episode examines how companies are restructuring teams around AI capabilities — creating new roles, eliminating bottlenecks, and rethinking what work looks like when AI handles routine back-office tasks.
Introduction
The arrival of AI employees is reshaping organizational structures before it replaces individual jobs. This episode examines how companies are rethinking reporting lines, team compositions, and management hierarchies as AI agents take on tasks previously distributed across multiple human roles. For startup founders building their organizations today, understanding these shifts is essential to designing teams that leverage AI capabilities rather than being disrupted by them.
Executive Summary
AI employees are restructuring organizational hierarchies before they replace individual jobs, collapsing middle management layers and redistributing decision-making authority. Companies adopting AI agents are finding that reporting structures designed for human information flow become redundant when AI can coordinate across departments directly. The shift creates new roles focused on AI supervision and strategic direction while eliminating positions primarily responsible for information routing. Founders building organizations today should design team structures that anticipate AI integration rather than retrofit it later.
AI employees don’t replace teams first—they collapse operational bottlenecks, reshape org charts, and redefine leverage inside companies.
AI employees don’t replace teams first—they collapse operational bottlenecks, reshape org charts, and redefine leverage inside companies. Startuprad.io brings you independent coverage of the key developments shaping the startup and venture capital landscape across Germany, Austria, and Switzerland.
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In this coversation with Oliver Dlugosch, we discuss AI employees matter not because they replace humans, but because they collapse process latency, standardize execution, and allow one operator to control previously impossible scale.
AI employees create leverage by owning full workflows, not tasks
Org charts change before headcount does
Full autonomy is rarer than the market claims
AI employees are process owners, not helpers
AI employees operate across entire workflows instead of assisting single tasks.
Unlike chatbots or point automations, AI employees integrate reasoning, system access, and execution authority. This allows them to manage processes like procure-to-pay or order-to-cash end to end, creating compounding operational impact rather than incremental efficiency.
Human-in-the-loop is the real adoption accelerator
Partial automation delivers most value early.
Human confirmation enables trust while capturing 80–90% of efficiency gains. Organizations move to full automation only after repeated proof of reliability. Adoption follows evidence, not ambition.
Org charts change before headcount does
Leverage increases before layoffs occur.
One operator supervising AI employees can manage transaction volumes previously requiring large teams. Capacity expands faster than staffing decisions adjust, reshaping organizational structures before employment numbers change.
Data quality is the hidden upside
AI execution standardizes interpretation.
AI employees apply consistent logic across inputs, eliminating human variance. This improves downstream analytics, forecasting, and coordination by making data more reliable and reusable across the organization.
Full autonomy is still overstated
Claims exceed operational reality.
LLMs remain fragile in numerical reasoning and edge cases. Oversight and guardrails remain essential for production systems, despite marketing claims of full autonomy.
Inline Micro-Definitions
AI employee: A system that combines LLM reasoning, tool access, and execution authority to own complete business workflows.
Human-in-the-loop: A control model where humans supervise or approve AI-generated actions before execution.
Agentic AI: AI systems capable of initiating and completing multi-step actions across tools and systems.
Operator Heuristics
Automate processes, not tasks
Start with human-in-the-loop
Measure speed before cost savings
Standardize data at ingestion
Scale adoption at team velocity
Treat AI capacity as an org design input
WHAT WE’RE NOT COVERING
We deliberately exclude AI ethics debates, consumer chatbots, and speculative AGI timelines. These topics do not materially change operational decisions for organizations today.
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Automated Transcript
1 Welcome to part two. In part one, we uncovered in 2 our interview with Oliver, founder of ADA AI, why the 3 traditional back office is breaking under the weight of modern startup 4 operations and how AI employees are already 5 taking over full workflows at companies adopting 6 agentic AI. But today we go even deeper 7 in part two of this episode. Originally planners one episode, 8 but Oliver was. Oliver was giving so good and long 9 answers, we spontaneously decided to break it into two. 10 In this episode, Dr. Oliver Lugos reveals the 11 technical breakthroughs that separates simple chatbots from real 12 autonomous agents. The industries that are secretly becoming 13 agent ready. And why building an AI workforce might 14 be the defining strategic advantage over the next decade. 15 If you ever wondered how autonomous an AI should 16 be, what God rays matter, or how far you
17 can push automation without losing control, this is the episode 18 you cannot miss. Let's jump into part two. 19 Welcome to Startuprad IO, 20 your podcast and YouTube blog covering the German 21 startup scene with news, interviews and 22 live events. 23 Welcome to part two of our conversation with Dr. Oliver 24 Lugosch, co founder of ADA AI and 25 previously co founder of the Razer Group based in Berlin, the E commerce company 26 that scaled beyond 700 million euros in annual 27 revenue. In part one, Oliver walked us through the origins 28 of ADACOP, the rise of AI employees and 29 why Agentic AI is fundamentally different from 30 every wave of automation that came before it. 31 Today we shift gears. In the second segment, Oliver 32 breaks down the technical and operational mechanics that 33 allow AI employees to execute multi step
34 workflows, make decisions, coordinate across tools and 35 operate at levels that were considered impossible just a few years 36 ago. We explored the real breakthroughs behind autonomous 37 agents. How companies move from one agent to AI 38 workforce, would guardrails prevent runaway autonomy, 39 emerging industry leading the adoption curve, and 40 how agentic AI will reshape high rank robos 41 and organizational design. In part one 42 showed us why AI employees matter and 43 part two shows us what's coming next and how fast. 44 Oliver, welcome back. Thank you. Great to be here. 45 Totally my pleasure. For everybody listening, it was a few days or even 46 longer for us, it has been just five minutes. So 47 let us talk about what's the real technical 48 breakthrough that makes AI employees 49 fundamentally different from chatbots or those 50 RPAs? Why we have chosen to
51 call them AI employees is because that 52 wording should show that 53 the usage, the application, goes beyond these very 54 singular purposes. What do I mean by that? A 55 chatbot is there to chat, Right? It's mostly 56 confined to the exchange of communication. Right? 57 You can have small LLM helpers that for 58 example, summarize documents. Right. And give you 59 quick notes around it. But the thought about AI 60 employees is that it can go much, much further, it can 61 go beyond. It can actually act on a longer process 62 scale, so to speak, and connect many different dots. 63 And what you need for that is many different 64 things. You need the capability of using LLMs in 65 exactly the right way, that they produce the outcome that you want 66 human like communication. You need integrations into many
67 different systems. You need an integration into your communication system, 68 into your Outlook or whatever email provider you use, 69 into your maybe direct messaging service. You need integration 70 integrations into your system of records, into your erp, your CRM, 71 you know, for the logistics folks out there, into the tms, the wms, 72 you need a human interface, you need a front 73 end that the team can actually use, right? And 74 there are all of these different elements that you need to combine in order 75 to really think an entire process. Because only if you 76 think an entire process, you can also have 77 impact that is really sizable, that is really substantial. 78 And it's more than a little helper here, a little 79 helper there, where yes, it might be interesting, 80 it might be helpful in everyday life, but it doesn't create
81 this measurable meaningful impact for organization 82 that truly, you know, gives teams the room to 83 breathe and feel like, wow, something has really changed. 84 And because you can combine all of these different things now, and 85 because you can tie all of these ties together, you 86 can think about a broader automation and more impact 87 that creates benefit for the organization. 88 As AI grows quickly, 89 what patterns are you noticing in the demand 90 of your customers? Which industries are or 91 which processes are agent ready? Now, 92 as of today, the pattern that. Emerges is 93 that companies often have one or 94 two use cases that is on top of everybody's minds because 95 it seems to be present, it seems to be that people discuss these 96 and we often start there. And they 97 most frequently lie in the procurement process,
98 sometimes in the distribution process, but often in procurement. 99 And then when you go deeper and you start to work on the project and 100 you start to build, then more and more people hear 101 about, you know, what is possible and what can be done nowadays 102 with the help of LLMs and other technology. And then 103 more ideas emerge and people start to see more use cases 104 from different parts of the organization and start to discuss 105 and also initiate further project, further 106 use cases across the org. So I would say 107 classically your procure to pay and your order to cash 108 flows are agent ready or automation 109 ready? Really? I think the word AI 110 agent is something that I find, I 111 don't know, difficult in how to interpret it. Right. 112 What does an agent Actually do. What does an agent mean? I feel
113 like it's a word that everybody uses. But what is really behind 114 that, behind that curtain? What, what, what is an agent? 115 I would bet if you ask 10 people, you get 12 answers. 116 That always reminds me, in the, in the mid-1990s, 117 everybody was trying to sell multi multimedia 118 computers and they had experts from like five new 119 newspapers doing the elevator pitch and everybody talked about something 120 different. Yeah, I fully, fully agree. Right. And 121 by the way, I'm not claiming that AI employee is the best wording, right. In 122 any way. I'm not claiming that. I'm just saying that, you know, these AI agents 123 have, have popped up and I find it difficult to grasp what is really, 124 really meant by it. In, in any case, I think 125 these use cases pop up throughout the classical again, procure
126 to pay, order to cash cycles also on the money flow, 127 right. Speaking about finance, order invoice processing, 128 issuing of invoices, reconciliation accounting, also these 129 processes are ready. What you shouldn't forget 130 is that this human in the loop process is something that 131 you typically start from, right? If you want to automate a process, 132 do it, but still have a human confirm certain actions, 133 confirm certain communication that goes out. So you can already 134 get 80% of the efficiency of 135 the time saving, maybe even 90%. But you still have that 136 component of a human double checking and ultimately signing off 137 on certain actions. And that is typically the starting point. And then when you 138 want to move to full automation, get these last 20 to 139 10% of, of, you know, 140 capacity of efficiency. That's what you should do under certain
141 circumstances, right? If you really have the trust, if you really have seen 142 a lot of positive examples, a lot of perfect 143 drafts and proposals from the AI, that's when you can move to 144 full automation. But that's a very, very organic process. 145 That's a very trust driven process that just comes over 146 time and again. Even if you are stuck with these, you know, 147 human in the loop processes, you still have most of the value 148 that will, that you will get ultimately. 149 We've been always talking about the employees who get rid of very boring 150 stuff. We've been talking about the entrepreneurs who get more 151 efficient with a few employees. But where are the 152 customer wins? What's the most surprising outcome a 153 customer has seen after deploying an AI 154 employee? The first thing that customers think about
155 is the efficiency, right? And saving capacity, 156 saving resources. But what also comes out 157 of, of all of these projects is 158 an improved speed of processing, data processing 159 input, responding to customers, responding to suppliers, 160 reacting to any kind of signal that comes in really. So 161 you get rid of this backlog, right, that often piles up and it 162 can again slow down other parts of the company. Other 163 teams will notice, will notice that 164 processes run quicker and more reliably 165 with the use of these automations. And the 166 quality of the output data is typically much better. 167 If anything, it's certainly of higher consistency, 168 right? Because if you use an AI based automation, 169 there's consistency of how things are interpreted, of how things 170 are put into a certain place in the system, for example, and
171 that consistency drives usability of that data 172 because, you know, it's no longer, I would say a human spread 173 of how things are being done, but it's typically very clean and 174 very standardized. And that is 175 a benefit that many companies don't foresee, but 176 that they experience as they use the AI employees because 177 they make the data more consistent and more usable going 178 forward. Also for other teams. 179 I see you do that because you want to scale. 180 But what are some scaling challenges with 181 AI employees? What's the most 182 underestimated challenge that companies, your 183 customers face when scaling from one agent 184 to an AI workforce, to many agents? 185 When we think about these automations and changing 186 processes in companies, ultimately that's what we're doing, we're changing processes. 187 Processes. Then you should never underestimate the human
188 factor, right? You will always have those teams that are 189 responsible for the processes, that oversee the processes, that 190 further develop and advance the processes. And 191 you cannot go faster than the team can go, 192 right? You always have to take everybody along and make sure 193 that these changes happen at a pace that is digestible 194 for the organization. And so the limitation 195 in scaling is really not a technical limitation. 196 It is not a limitation of, you know, being able to produce these 197 automations. It's a limitation of how quickly can 198 teams and organizations adopt to these changes. And I think that's a very, 199 very natural limitation. And it's something that you 200 should always keep in mind when you think about how quickly do I want to 201 scale from 1 to 2 to 5 to 10 use
202 cases or AI employees. 203 I see in the founders world we will be talking about 204 what's the workflow. No founder realizes can be 205 automated, but every founder should automate using 206 AI employee. Let's do a little bit 207 outlook into the future. How do you see the balance 208 between human teams and AI employees 209 evolving over let's say the next five years? I know 210 it's pretty, pretty early, but givens a positive vision, 211 I think this. View is pretty clear. 212 I think there will be less and less and less of these 213 painful Manual things that you have to do, the repetitive ones. 214 I think we will spend more time on really figuring out stuff, 215 figuring out how to do things and then having your AI 216 employee, your assistant, your agent, whatever you want to call it, take
217 over what you have defined. It 218 will also help us become more creative. 219 You can use LLMs to get new ideas, get new 220 impulses and then turn them into great ideas, turn them into great 221 execution and really move your business, 222 your startup, to the next level. So I think you will 223 have less of this boring, painful piece and you will have 224 more of the creativity. Do things differently 225 and, you know, come into a state where it's, it's, it's 226 exciting to advance your business because you no longer have to take 227 care of the very, very basic stuff. 228 I was just wondering about AI employees. The 229 very, very boring stuff. I was wondering, would it be a dream 230 for you to automate or start 231 automation? German tax authorities but 232 because I do believe there will be quite a lot of potential
233 and I also do believe there are a lot of people who 234 have jobs that are very repetitive and I'm sure 235 they would love to get rid of at least those steps 236 of the work. I'm not a 237 tax expert, but what I can say as, you know, 238 being subject to tax, I fully agree with you. I think 239 there are probably many, many process steps in, you know, 240 filing taxes, anything around taxes that 241 could be at least simplified or 242 accelerated with AI and LLMs. And 243 I think there is a huge space that is to be tackled in that area. 244 I fully agree now around the regulation 245 aspect of it. I cannot speak to it, but I'm sure 246 we'll figure this out and make sure that, you know, 247 we can also use AI in these, in these topics
248 and these areas of businesses agree. 249 Going back into the, from government into the 250 real industries. We've been talking about 251 AI agents helping employees to 252 get rid of boring work. But I was 253 wondering, how do you imagine 254 agentic AI reshaping the org 255 charts of larger companies? I think 256 AI will start to become part of the org charts. 257 Right. Ultimately, that's where we're headed. 258 And what does it resemble? Org charts basically resemble 259 or mirror, you know, certain resources 260 capacities. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be, you know, inhumane or anything. 261 I'm just trying to abstract it. Right. What is mirrored in an 262 org chart, it is, you know, human resources 263 executing certain processes, certain tasks, taking over certain 264 responsibilities. As we see AI applications take 265 over that role, they move into that capacity. Right. And
266 you will see that a person will be completely 267 occupied with running many, many, many 268 operational or a large volume of operations through 269 the help of AI, AI employees, agents, whatever you want to call them, 270 and being that person that keeps an eye on all of 271 these processes, right, keeps an eye on quality, further 272 advances the process, further advances the model, the 273 application. And really being able to 274 have such a huge leverage, right? One person, imagine one 275 person handling, I don't know, thousands of customer requests every day. 276 Why? Because they have LLMs and AI at their fingertips, 277 right? And they can do this at a speed and a 278 quality that was unprecedented, that you could never have had with 279 just humans. Because you can further improve 280 these algorithms and these automations more and more and more. And
281 I think that operational leverage that you can have will result in org 282 charts looking very different from today. Do you know 283 when you've been talking about the difference in org 284 charts, what do you say triggered one idea in 285 my mind because when I was working in a lot 286 of different companies as a consultant, if you're a good consultant, you get 287 invited to the Christmas party of the company and 288 then you do have the retirees, the people who come in, they 289 retired and they talk about what was work like 5, 10, 290 20 years ago. And I was wondering if at one point 291 you'll have like one room in a company. I 292 had in mind a lot of old screens where you can basically talk to old 293 AI agents and, and pick their brains 294
on knowledge from the past or how it was done in the past. 295 Why not? I think it would be enriching, right, if you could tap into 296 that knowledge. It's still fresh because it will always be fresh, right? It 297 will remember and we'll be able to help us and learn, right. 298 Obviously you will never be able to fully take over 299 that human element, right? You will always have the core 300 team, will be humans at your Christmas party and you will probably 301 not celebrate with AI employees. I don't know, maybe we do, 302 I assume we will not. But having that, 303 you know, this, these capacities of remembering stuff very 304 clearly giving you insights, you can ask any questions it will 305 hopefully answer in the correct way, in a true way. 306 I think this is a value add that we are just starting
307 to understand, just starting to grasp really 308 what I. Had in mind when I was talking about this was having a digital 309 room, not necessarily to be entered during Christmas party. We all know that 310 can get out of hands. A digital room where can 311 basically look into different screens and have 312 all the old AI agent archived there, which 313 of course will be a big job for knowledge management. I'm sure you're working on 314 IDs for that as well. 315 Let's pick your brain a little bit about a contrarian view. 316 What is one unpopular truth about autonomous 317 agents that nobody in the AI industry wants to 318 admit? I think it comes down to this 319 topic of autonomy that you mentioned before. I 320 think the unpopular truth is that we are 321 still far away from this true, true fundamental
322 autonomy of really running human processes. 323 People sometimes claim and continue to claim that we are there 324 already. I don't see it. I have not seen it in 325 application and I think it's still a little bit of 326 a way to go to really have that live 327 and ready and in production. 328 For our founders out there, for our audience. DM us on 329 LinkedIn, me, your manager. 330 What would be the one process you'd 331 automate first? We'll share the most creative ones 332 anonymously. 333 Looking forward to ideas there. Let's get a 334 little bit towards the end and this pencil a little bit at end. The 335 advice, what's 336 your advice to early stage founders who want to build 337 AI ready operational structures when they're 338 starting out like today or. 339 Well, Today is late November 2025, but this will
340 air in January 2026. A lot of activity is going on in 341 January. Everybody wants to start something new. What advice would you give 342 to entrepreneurs now thinking about setting up the company? 343 Great question. I think yes, it should be 344 AI native, I think because not starting something 345 AI native or with AI in mind would be 346 foolish given all of the technology that we have and the 347 capabilities the technology brings. But I won't, I wouldn't 348 overdo it. I wouldn't say, you know, first day you start 349 thinking about AI. No, first day think what is your business? What do you want 350 to do? What's the value that you will bring to your 351 customers, to, you know, society, to the world. And since post 352 corona, how do you make money? What's your unit? 353 Economics, your mix of scale. And then think about
354 how I could raise that. That would 355 be something I will be thinking about. How about you, Oliver? Exactly 100%. 356 So first start with, you know, what are you doing? How do you create app 357 value? How do you monetize? All of these are very, very important questions. And 358 once you figure that out, or once you have an hypothesis and you want to 359 test it, use AI as a tool, right? Use LLMs to then 360 scale yourself, scale your time. But 361 if you're not a business, you know that, that, 362 that sells AI where AI is really the core product. 363 Don't start with AI the very first day. Start with the fundamentals of the 364 business. I think this is true. This will always be true. And once you've started 365 to figure out things and you have your hypotheses or something that's even
366 proven, use AI to scale. Use AI to 367 create that leverage that you want to have. 368 I'm curious for one thing, because we go 369 into the last standard question, and then we have the two mandatory. But 370 before we go into that, can you see a future 371 where the AI employees are targeted 372 by hackers and used for nefarious purposes? 373 I think that time is already here. I'm very sure that 374 hackers are already trying to attack LLM systems, 375 AI systems. And it's something that you have to stay on 376 top of and that you have to build 377 countermeasures against. So I think that's absolutely critical. 378 Whenever you design any kind of AI system that you have that in mind, 379 people will always try to get to your system. They will 380 always try to hack you. So security is
381 number one priority, particularly if you think in broad applications. 382 Right. For a small, small company, small startup, they might not 383 be the first target, but when you move to larger scales, then you're 384 certainly targeted day in, day out. And that must be very core 385 to how you approach the entire thing. I 386 see, I see. And the 387 last question I prepared for this interview, if every company 388 in the world would deploy AI employees tomorrow, 389 what do you guess would be the one that breaks first? 390 Like what function? What capability? 391 What would break first? Great question, 392 great question. I mean, looking at what LLMs are great 393 at, I would assume some of the numerical stuff would 394 probably break. I don't know, maybe the forecasting piece or 395 the optimization piece might be something that is
396 most fragile because, you know, LLMs, 397 large language models, are not designed for 398 numerical analytical approaches. But that's just my guess. 399 I hope we will not see that happen. But if I had to guess that, 400 that would be my take. 401 Our standard questions are pretty, pretty normal. Are you open to talk 402 to new investors? We are always open to talk to new 403 investors. We are not actively fundraising, but we are always 404 open to talk. And 405 this is a funny question for you, because are you also open 406 to look for talented employees that you cannot yet, 407 that you cannot completely replace with AI employees? 408 We are also looking for great people. Absolutely. At any point in 409 time. So, yes, we are hiring. So 410 basically, we'll link down here your career website and your personal
411 LinkedIn profile so investors can reach out to you. Perfect. Let's do that. 412 Oliver, thank you very much. Was such a pleasure to have you here twice. 413 Thank you. Thank you, Johan. It was a real pleasure. Was great talking to 414 you. Same here. Have a good day. Bye bye. Thanks. 415 That's all folks. Find more news streams, 416 events and 417 interviews@www.startuprad.IO. 418 remember, sharing is car.
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Frequently Asked Questions
What makes AI employees different from chatbots?
AI employees execute multi-step workflows across systems. They combine LLM reasoning with access to ERP, CRM, email, and messaging tools to own entire processes rather than assist individual interactions.
Which business processes are agent-ready today?
Procure-to-pay, order-to-cash, invoicing, reconciliation, and customer operations are already automation-ready because they follow repeatable, system-linked decision patterns.
Why do companies underestimate AI employee impact?
Most organizations focus on cost savings and miss improvements in processing speed, consistency, and data quality that remove downstream bottlenecks across teams.
What limits scaling AI employees?
The limiting factor is organizational adoption speed, not technology. Teams must absorb process change before automation can scale safely.
Will AI employees appear in org charts?
Yes. Org charts represent capacity allocation. As AI systems assume execution capacity, they become a structural element of organizational design.
Are autonomous agents truly autonomous?
No. Fully autonomous, unsupervised execution remains rare in production environments and is often overstated in market narratives.
What is an AI employee?
An AI employee is a system that owns full business workflows using LLM reasoning and system integrations.
Are AI employees autonomous?
Most are supervised. Fully unsupervised autonomy is still rare in production environments.
Which teams benefit first?
Finance, procurement, customer operations, and logistics teams see the earliest impact.
Do AI employees replace staff?
They increase operational leverage before reducing headcount.
Does data quality improve?
Yes. Consistency and standardization increase materially.
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